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 | Assalam O Alaikum
Muslim students can not be used as a criteria for Zabiha status of New Zealand Zabiha lamb and to endorse as real Zabiha lambs. It requires a professional organization to judge the status of Zabiha. Beside, Australia and New Zealand has the law that every animal has to be stunned before slaughtering the animals. There are lot of places where Zabiha lamb meat on the way from slaughter houses in New Zealnd to Outback Steakhouse restaurants in USA could be contaminated with Non Zabiha lamb unless it is protected by using HACCP(Hazard Analysis & Critcal Control Points)system.
Endorsing Outback's lamb without real proof of its Zabiha status is not fair. Contaminations at the restaurants as mentioned above is a real problem because many Muslims forget what to say before ordering the lamb dish. It is possible that the lambs from New Zealand are real Zabiha but it has to be professionlly checked.
I will recommend and prefer eating the lamb dish at Muslim owned restaurants rather than at Outback Steakhouse. Again this is my personal view. Our organization is also receive inquiry about its Zabiha status.
Syed Rasheeduddin Ahmed
Muslim Consumer Group
www.muslimconsumergroup.com |
- Posted on March 14, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Salams, Brother Syed - is there something about the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand that makes them unsuitable supervisors of the halal process there? |
- Posted on March 14, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum Br. Shahed,
I am aware of Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand slaughtering procedure, they do not pay attention to animal feed, no expalination whether it is vegetarian or pork bone meal used to feed sheeps. They can not avoid stunning because of the law, they use machine slaughter for chiken because no mentioned of hand slaughtering in their procedure. Although they follow sharia rule of slaughtering for bovine(cow) and Ovine (sheep) but no independent professional evalaution of their slaughtering procedures. They do not have no procedure how to protect it during shipping and at end use. They said that they put mark on the boxes but no explaination or HACCP proceduer how to protect the zabiah one from non Zabiah. How the zabiaha meat is protected from contamination at Outback. This is the main concern. Also they allowed production return of Halal and Non Halal meat and its reuse. This is also concern for contamination, spoilage such rancid meat due to oxidation of fat, bacterial contamination and other health hazard possibility. We do not know whether Outback steakhouse are using return Zabiha lamb stakes or freshly zabiha slaughtered lamb stakes.
In Toronto there are 8 Muslim owned Poppey Chicken stores. These chicken are hand slaughtered by Madinah foods, the coating on the chicken is Halal certified. The most important thing is that the Muslim ownership protects Muslim from any contamination from pork.
Syed Rasheeduddin Ahmed |
- Posted on March 15, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| also thanks to Br. Hassan Mirza for his help in confirming the Halal Lamb info at OutBack SteakHouses in the U.S. |
- Posted on March 15, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Received as a response to an email inquiry:
"This is PPCS USA principle suppliers of New Zealand lamb to Outback Restaurants. Our parent company is PPCS Ltd the largest meat processor / marketer in New Zealand. We received your message from the New Zealand Meat Board. We can confirm all our lamb is halal slaughtered due to the very large business we have in the Middle East. Authentic halal slaughter agencies monitor slaughter at our plants and certificates issued accordingly. Halal agencies can either supply an individual halal certificate for each shipment or an over-arching certificate listing accredited slaughter plants. We are happy to provide copy such certificates to whomever may require or alternatively you / friend can contact Halal agencies in New Zealand for personal re-assurance. Regards, Dale Kwok, President - PPCS USA" |
- Posted on March 16, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Br. Syed...salaams. Muslim Ownership is the preferred option, but that does not necessarily guarantee non-contamination, as we all know. Many Muslim owned restaurants use Both Halal and Non-Halal meats, serve alcohol, and in some cases even serve bacon, pork, etc. Usually people do not complain about it, because they are our people and serving our usual food (desi, afghan, persian, etc.). But if Non-Muslims are serving Halal food, or at least making an effort to accomodate our needs, at the very least we should thank them, give them our business and offer our friendly advice and suggestions on how to improve. Attacking people and saying they cannot be trusted does no one any good. If you don't want to trust Outback fine, but please don't start attacking them, because I have yet to see a Muslim owned and operated SteakHouse (we had a good one here in the Bay Area, but it closed down due to lack of business). So anyone who is complaining, put your money where your mouth is and open a full Halal SteakHouse and I will be happy to promote it and give you my business! |
- Posted on March 16, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Perhaps the most useful bit of information here is that while the lamb may be halal, the steamed vegetables are not - which should be a warning for many Muslims who order "vegetarian" in non-Muslim restaurants and think they are safe. |
- Posted on March 16, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum
I received this links from UK Halal News.
Calls for Malaysia to reinstate NZ halal licences - link 1, link 2 |
- Posted on March 16, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Is the New Zealand lamb hand cut zabihah, or is it stunned before being slaughtered?
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- Posted on March 20, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Brother Siddiqui, Masha'Allah, very well said. It's great to know that sound minds exist amongst us! How beautifully stated, too!
I'd like to add on a bit to what you said as well.
To our fellow brothers and sisters:
As Brother Siddiqui said, understandably, we are quick to turn a suspicious eye towards "outsiders," however, why not do the same with our "own"? True, many Muslim-owned restaurants exist, however, there are many issues with such firms. Note that a lot of them are overpriced! Why pay $15-$20 for something that (for the most part) you can eat comfortably at home (if you're from the Middle East/Indian Subcontinent)? And on top of that, why pay all that money for a plate of food, when you can get a nice sized pizza or something close to that for just as much (or even less). I personally avoid these types of restaurants because of their poor service (amongst other reasons). And in the rare occassions that I do go out to a restaurant, I usually get some kind of pasta/spaghetti food or even fish. But now that I see Outback has halal food, I will try it most definitely. I will follow the exact procedures as those directed by Michelle Robinson, as should you, and that's as far as it shall go. The rest is out of our hands. It is not on us to go and see how the cook prepares the food, for we are told to take their word. But only if your conscience is comfortable, in which case you say to yourself either of two things: the meat IS halal, or it IS NOT halal. It cannot be both, nor can it be "half-halal". It is all, or nothing. You decide. |
- Posted on March 23, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Does Outback really need Muslim support? Our dollars are better served circulating in our own community. Be advised that while the meat might be halal, there is no guarantee about the preparation method, i.e. the knife, pan, oil and preparer's hands might be covered in lard, pork, etc. A Muslim will obviously never have these items in his/her store. And Allah knows best. |
- Posted on March 30, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| I ordered the lamb chops and found you get 4 pieces with not much meat for $20. It did not even taste good and was definitely not worth it. |
- Posted on April 1, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| assalamu alaikum. This life is too short and precious to waste on suspicious food that will destroy our eternity. Go for what is without any doubt be it muslim or non-muslim. We all are accountable for ourselves. Jazakullah khair. |
- Posted on April 3, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| If somebody's telling me it's halal. It's halal. Papa don't preach. |
- Posted on April 7, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Irfan, I agree and endorse your sentiments. I will definitely give my business to a restaurant that is making an effort to be sensitive to the needs of muslims. Outback is a famous and successful franchise and certainly does not need our endorsement, but it is very encouraging to read about the effort that is being made. |
- Posted on April 13, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Does anyone know about outback in other countries, specifically South Korea? |
- Posted on April 14, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikom, I have just come from Outback and I agree with brother Mirza. However, I got impressed that the manager himself was aware of the Halal requirements and came in person and explained to us about it. It was very good that they are going to know about the islamic food. I believe it had a good impact for our community here in the west. |
- Posted on April 15, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| What about Outbacks in Canada? any idea where their source of lambs is? |
- Posted on April 15, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Are the Outback restaurants in Canada also halal? Presumably they also have the same supplier for their lamb? |
- Posted on April 16, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum
I wrote a e-mail to Michell Robinson of Outback on March 23, 2006 but she never replied to my e-mail. Here are the questions I asked:
Hi Michelle,
I appreciate if you can answer the following questions regarding New Zealand outback Lamb Chops:
1. Do you supply Lamb from New Zealand only or from other source.
2. Do you buy lamb chop from one company in New Zealand or several.
3. Are the lamb chops come frozen, does it require further processing at restaurants or commissaries.
4. What are ingredients of cabemet sauce.
5. You suggest to Muslims consumers to order lamb chops in a pan without Cabemet sauce, what else restauarants put on the lamb before bake when you take out cabemet sauce. You also suggest to use sauce pan rather grilled, what type lubricant or shortening sprayed on pan, so that lamb chops will not stick to sauce pan. Are these sauce pans are used for other items.
6. Is there any cooking wine used in its preparation.
7. Do you dip the lamb chops in solution containing spices, meat tenderizer or other ingredients.
8. Does lamb chops are treated with meat cures in New Zealand.
9. Does the lamb chops cases contain Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand stamp or label, does stamp found on the lamb itself.
10. The lamb chops are processed in New Zealand or at your commissaries in USA.
11. Does lamb meat or chops for Outback restaurants come from return meat at New Zealand meat company.
I appreciate your answers to above questions.
Rasheed Ahmed
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- Posted on April 16, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Brother Syed Rasheeduddin Ahmed:
With the amount of questions you have asked Michelle, I am not surprised you did not get a response.
Why don't you do your own research to find the answers to your questions.
My suggestion is that it is best if you don't go to Outback. It seems like you will always be some doubt -- no matter how many answers you get.
This is what gives us a bad rap by non-muslims.
Look, you have two options: 1. Go to Outback or 2. Don't Go to Outback.
We should first stop and ask these same questions of our own, Muslim owned restaurants and Halaal meat stores. Do you? I, for sure have been flat out lied to by Muslims restaurant owners who will do anything to make a buck!
Brother, please go to your local Halal meat store, purchase 4 lamb chops (cook it anyway you want) and enjoy with your family. You will enjoy the taste, ambiance and it won't cost you $20!
Sincerely,
You say it's Halal, and I'm There!
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- Posted on April 19, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| For all those comments from the likes of rf123 etc, signifying that the lamb is still suspicious, well why are they living in a capitalistic Christian society and paying taxes to government whose money is going to indirectly killing thousands of Muslims around the world. Eating lamb which the Outbackís administration is saying is HALAL is not bad considering that.
I also only eat Zabihah and like this site but thereís a limit to suspicion and letís keep at that. We can make everything suspicious but letís not be a hypocrite.
Umair
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- Posted on April 21, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum Br. Irfan R
You are missing the point brother, a hadith says that Allah will not accept your dua for forty days if you eat a bit of Haram food. Ignorance is not the excuse, every food product either in supermarket or in a restaurant has to be investigated for its Halal status. " do not bother Michelle" do have any business relation with outback. Every Muslim is obligated to find out the truth and convey to your Muslim brothers. You are sugesting to go eat either chicken nuggets or fish at Burger King which are fried in the same oil for pork patties. Similarly every fried fish fried in the same oil where real beer batter fish fried at Red Lobster. These information and more are available on our web site www.muslimconsumergroup.com. If you want to eat at Outback, it is ok but do not promote them when you do not know any thing what they put on the lamb chops. |
- Posted on April 24, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Salaams All
Please do not keep bothering Michelle or other reps. from Outback with continuing questioning which seems like an interrogation, and makes us look like a bunch of wackos. If you do not believe it is Halal, that is fine, and you do not have to eat it. If you believe it is Halal, then please go and support them! As I said, before this is an excellent way to educate Non-Muslims about Halal foods, and do Dawah. Our waiter, learned something about Muslims, Halal Food and had some respect for our beliefs after our visit. This is much more important than whether or not the lamb is frozen or put in spices, etc. etc. Please let's use some common sense. And I agree with Halal Grubber...have you asked these same questions to your fellow Muslim restaurants, who sometimes also serve BOTH zabihah and Non-zabihah meat?!! I dont think you have. So please, let's treat everyone with respect and not single out only Outback, just because they are Non-Muslim! |
- Posted on April 24, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Brother Grubber, we get lots of calls and e-mails regarding the Halal status of food products including the Halal status of Outback lamb chops. I am dirverting all answers regarding Halal status of Outback lamb chops to read my comments at Zabihah.com, but my questions to Outback are simple, important and it effects the Halal status. Let us assume the lamb meat is Zabiha but what they put on them and what lubricant they sprayed on the pans determine the Halal status of baked lamb chops. These are legitimate questions and Muslims must know about it. Like MCDonald,Outback do not have any information about ingredients of sauce, marinade and other coating on their web site. I have no attention to go to Outback nor I am stopping you to eat at Outback but I am obligated to answers questions from Muslim consumers because they asked me. Outback did not provide complete picture about Halal status of the lamb chops except Halal certification from New Zealand. They said not to order cabemet sauce but did not mentioned the Halal alternative sauce. Nobody eat bland tough lamb chops, they suppose put something on it and we are trying to find out. If you baked lamb chops without lubricating the pan, it will stick to pan. Non Muslims also make flat out lied to eat their foods providing supercial information. Muslim owned restaurants never use lard or pork at their kitchen. |
- Posted on April 24, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Br. Syed. You remind me of the Jews who continued to question and question the Prophets after they gave a simple order. You are trying to make things more complicated than what they really are, and unfortunately this is the reason we Muslims are in the state we are in today. Majority of Muslims, such as yourself are so stuck in minor issues and details that they cannot move forward. If you use common sense, you will understand that most restaurants will prepare the food to your liking (i.e. without lard, without wine, without pork, etc.) if you clearly and in a friendly manner explain to them your dietary restrictions. Unlike "Muslim" restaurants who we all assume are 100% Halal (which is incorrect), Non-Muslim restaurants (especially large chains such as Outback), will make sure they properly prepare it, because they do not want to get sued. So brother, for the last time, if you are suspicious, then don't eat at Outback. At the same time, dont eat out at all, and just stay at home, but then again...you may be using a "lubricant" which may have some "haram" ingredient and you dont even know about it. Asalaamu-Alaykum. P.S. I do not have any business relation with Outback, and just trying to support them, as they are trying to reach out to our community, and unfortunately, people such as yourself and making us move backwards again! |
- Posted on April 25, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Salam alaikum Brother Syed. Perhaps Michelle would be more inclined to answer your question if you asked her simply and explained to her why you need to know. Michelle is really busy and she is not going to research the issue unless she feels like it's important for her to do so. Explain to her that you are Muslim and have certain dietary requirements to eat halal meat only. You recently heard that Outback serves halal lamb. Ask her to confirm it, and perhaps answer some questions you had about it. Typically, if your email cannot be answered in 20 minutes, it won't be answered - just my experience :) salam |
- Posted on April 25, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| I think brother Rasheedudin Ahmed is doing a great job trying to find out the real authenticity of Outback Lambchops so Muslims can consume the food with a clear heart. Nowadays, it just is not enough to declare something "halal" without doing tahqeeq (research) which every intelligent Muslim should do before eating anything that is mashbooh (suspicious). It is better to eat vegeatables than eat a morsel of haram meat. |
- Posted on April 25, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum Br. Irfan, I think you need lessons in Islam, you are ignoring a great Hadith again and bringing up un-related issue of jews, It is also a great Hadith to stay away from Mushbooh. You just want to eat like common american without inquiry , research and want other Muslims to follow you. For example Mcdonald is also tried Halal chicken nuggets in Detroit area but it failed to satisfy Muslims. So you trust Non Muslim Michale and Outback for Halal foods who do not even know what is Halal mean. Just enjoy the Mushbooh lamb stake for yourself. You are kidding yourself that restauarants prepared a special meal for Muslims. Even sauces containing Haram ingredients come already prepare to be put on fish. Who is watching outback to prepare meals for Muslims, did they hire any Imam?. You have no expereience in foods and restaurants, so keep the outback with you and do not promote to other Muslims. You are just trying to support them based on a Mushbooh lamb stakes which is against the Hadith. Outback is legally not claiming they are serving Halal Lamb chops meal, they are claiming about New Zealand Halal certified lamb. What goes between raw lamb to a meal in front of a Muslim is Mushbooh. So we have to stay away from Mushbooh Outback lamb chops.
Syed Rasheeduddin Ahmed |
- Posted on April 27, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum Br.Omar, I asked all simple questions to Michelle beacuse I knew she is not a technical person but every food company suppose to answer truth about their products, every body is busy and that is not excuse. No borther I have deals with many companies about getting answer, I was also responsible for consumer complaints regarding Nabisco Oreo/ChipAhoy brownies when I used to work for Nabisco. So I know how it works. I assume she was not provided all the information except only two words, New Zealand and Halal lamb chops. Food companies just provide superficial information to satisfy common consumers, for detail and technical questions, it has to be refer to Technical service or QA or R & D department of the company. But it is our job to make sure we are not eating Haram, for that purpose we have to do thorough investigation and there is nothing wrong about it.
Syed Rasheeduddin Ahmed |
- Posted on April 27, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Since individuals have neither the capability or resources to investigate the truth we depend on organizations such as www.muslimconsumergroup.com who put time and effort to ensure muslim community can eat Zabiha Halal. I appreciate br. Syed's efforts in taking an extra step to ensure proper reply from Outback!!! |
- Posted on May 2, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Note to readers. Please be careful which websites and groups you refer to for Halal Certification. Br. Syed is promoting his own website, muslimconsumergroup.com which is NOT recognized by any Islamic organization to certify Halal products. According to the website, they have had searches by Muslims in over 90 countries. Sorry, but this does not mean that you are a legitimate Halal certification organization.
If people want to get authentic Halal certification, please refer to IFANCA (Islamic Food and Nutrition Council), which is recognized by the USDA as well as over 20 International Islamic Organizations to certify Halal products and ingredients.
Also, Br. Syed, if you are such as expert as you claim to be, why do you not know about the fact that ALL "lemon-lime" flavors of soda in the U.S. are made with a small percentage of Alcohol? According to your own website, this would be considered Haram, and not acceptable, yet on your website you claim that All Coca-Cola products are Halal!
Salaam Cola, was the only soda brand in the U.S. (started by a Muslim) to use non-alcholic ingredients to create their Lemon-lime soda.
Anyways, Im not trying to put down Br. Syed's website, but just giving a warning to readers, that their is a difference between a "Consumer Watch" group, and actual certified and legitimate Halal certification organizations!
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- Posted on May 8, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| I agree with brother Irfan comnpletely. Muslimconsumergroup is not recognized by the USDA, nor other Islamic groups. Therefore, any comments made by, or on behalf of muslimconsumergroup should be disregarded in its entirety. Just like Brother Irfan stated above, muslimconsumergroup didn't even know about the lime soda process and instead muslimconsumergroup states on their website that "ALL" coke products are halaal????????????????????? Do you really want this organization to put out research for the muslims on what is halall and haraam???? I didn't think so!
Brother Syed is just trying to plug his website here on Zabihah.com and it looks like he has his co-workers doing the same.
I wonder why Br. syed and his "gang" are trying to stir controversy on this website?? Perhaps to steer more peeps to his website?? Brother Syed, don't you know your questions and concerns about Outback and its cooking procedures would carry much more weight if you didn't have an ulterior motive of advertising your own website here???
Although your zeal and effort in trying to find out the truth about Outback is admirable, the method you are using to decipher such information, is simply stated, wrong. This is what gives Muslims a bad name! Don't be accusatory in your questions. How would you feel if everyone ganged up on you for dropping the ball on your own website and stating that all coke products are halaal? I think you would get angry and upset. Now, aren't you doing the same thing to Michelle at Outback? Brother Syed, shame on you for not setting an example of how Muslims should act with others (especially non-muslims) You are taking us back two-steps with your selfish, business minded approach.
Fitna is NOT allowed -- even on Zabihah.com! |
- Posted on May 9, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Why would a company spend enormous amounts of money to ship lambs from New Zealand for Resturaunts here in the United States. Receiving the meat from overseas does not make any sense from an economical or profitable stand point. |
- Posted on May 10, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Assalam O Alaikum Br.Irfan, Thanks for your recommendation to Muslims not to follow our web site and certification. You do not have any knowledge about Halal certification. Those Muslim who trust me, go to our web site, this is the reason our web site has over 600, 000 hits every month. Each edition of my Halal food book is sold out every time I published it since 1991. I am not getting any penny from the book sell, it is all for the sake of Allah. Our main aim is to educate Muslims about Halal products and Halal certification is secondary because I worked in the food industry and have no time to do Halal certification. IFANCA Halal certification is not accepted by all Muslims because they Halal certify food products containing alcohol. We refuse to Halal certify if alcohol is present in the formula. Salam Cola has approached us and we offered sam cola free Halal certification but they paid $5000 to IFANCA. We do free Halal certification to Muslims. You are wrong again about lemon-lime flavor. It can be made with Propylen glycol which is a Halal solvent. We have letters from coke and Pepsi about absence of alcohol. We report what food companies write to us. Our Halal certification is accepted in many Muslim countries. USDA do not have legal authority to recognize any organization. We are not in Zabiha meat Halal certification business. You can say any bad thing about me but you have no proof that Outback Lamb stake is Halal. |
- Posted on May 10, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Br.Halal Grubber you do not know what USDA does. We are not registered with them because we do not issue Zabiha certification. I answered technical questions about Halal status of food products and ingredients for Muslims send by Eat-Halal.com, Whatisinit.com and many web sites because they can not answer questions themself.I have developed 10 new products for Kraft, 3 new products for Nabisco. I am providing technical answers to Zabiha.com for long time based on my experience and knowledge. I have no-co worker. I do everything by myself. But you and Irfan are the ones who do not have any experience in food chains but want to recommend Outback Lamb stakes to other Muslims without investigation. This is wrong and against Islam. You and Irfan can not provide proof to Muslims on Zabiha.com that Outback lamb stakes are Halal. I am not preventing anybody to eat lamb stake at Outback, what I am saying that they are Mushbooh and need investigation to make sure that they are Halal. There is nothing wrong about this approach. |
- Posted on May 10, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Brother Irfan & Halal Grubber, The owner of Sam Soda Br. Ibrahim is a business person he is not a chemist or food scientist and have no experience in food industry. He got the information from some body els.. There are two part of Natural or Artificial flavors, one is flavoring part and other is solvent or carrier part. Only the flavor house and the food company who uses flavor in their products know which solvent is used in flavor. I asked only few companies about the solvent in the flavor of soft drinks. They told me what they use. Some say they use alcohol and some say they do not. So all my information about alcohol in soft drink are based on the information obtained from the companies and I reported them on in my Halal food book and on web site. Alcohol analysis only gives 50PPM but not less, It is not true analysis because if the flavoring part in natural flavor obtained from fruit juice and even if the alcohol was not used as solvent, Tests still show minor amount of alcohol which is naturally present in fruit. So it is very difficult to detect alcohol in natural flavor. If br. Ibrahim using alcohol free lemon lime product then how can he said that all lemon and lime soda contains alcohol. All Halal certified products containing flavors showed on IFANCA website are made with alcohol because they do not claim alcohol free Halal certified food products. |
- Posted on May 11, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Econ 101? You need to take a remedial Economics class instead! How can you say buying lamb overseas does not make any sense for Outback from an economical or profitable standpoint? Should'nt you first find out what Outback's true cost is to get the Lamb from an overseas distributor???? What if Outback is getting a better deal overseas than they are with local distributors??? Would this then make sense to you??? Besides, Outback is a major U.S. Restaurant chain -- I am sure they purchase Lamb from New Zealand en masse, thereby reducing the per unit price, ultimately making it a profitable business transaction for them. Please reserve the space on this website for intelligent, noteworthy discussion. |
- Posted on May 11, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Brother Irfan:
Let Br. Syed do his thang. He obviously is a businessman first before anything else.
In each one of his postings, Br Syed:
1. Plugs/advertises his website
2. Plugs/advertises his books (which by the way, can be purchased on his website)
3. Bashes IFANCA - a business competitor of Br. Syed.
1, 2 and 3 above have all the markings of a true business man.
Br. Syed, you do not need to mention in your postings where you went to school, what degree you have, what degrees your competitor DOES NOT have, how many products you developed for Kraft or Nabisco, etc. Zabihah.com is not a message board to be used for business owners to advertise their products/services. Besides, Allah (SWT) knows best. You do not need to convince all of us what you do or how you do it. Your sawaab is lessened when you tell people about all of your good deeds. But I bet, you already have this on your website ...
Br. Irfan R., let's leave Brother Syed alone. |
- Posted on May 11, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Br. Irfan, it is not true that IFANCA is recognized by 20 International Islamic Organizations. This is the reason you do not know Halal certification. In order to get any organization's Halal certified food products in a Muslim country, you have to be recognized by that country. We are recognized in Indonesia, Singapore and in the process of getting recognization in Malysia, so does IFANCA and other organizations. It is not a big deal. No Islamic organization except I mentioned above recognized any Halal certify organization because they have no authority to recognized. IFANCA has declared in their magazine that they will Halal certify a food product if it contains 0.5% alcohol. Our requirements for Halal certification is ZERO alcohol in formula and in finshed products. You are comparing apple to oranges brother. You are just doing this because you want other Muslims to follow your criteria in eating foods and I oject to it. You may be bringing foods with Haram hidden ingredients from supermarkets or eating at restauarnts unintentially because you do not want to learn about Halal foods. May be you are bringing apple juice where pork gelatin was used to filter the apple pieces. This is a hidden ingredient in apple juice. |
- Posted on May 11, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Br.Halal Grubber, I do not need Zabiha.com to promote our web site and Halal food book. I always write to every food website to educate Halal status of food products because Allah has given me the experience and knowledge to spread to other Muslims without any financial benefit so that to prevent Muslims like you and br.Irfan to misguide other Muslims without experience and knowledge about food. MCG is a not for profit organization. I have no objection whatever you eat but I do not want to see you promoting a Mushbooh food without proper investigation. I am not a businessman but a food scientist. I have to expose my knowledge, experience in food industry so that Muslim will not think that I am just like you & br. Irfan promting mushbooh foods without knowledge and expereience. I put the name of my web site so that Muslims can benefit from it. It is a free website runs without any income and I have no advertizement on the website to earn money. I bring the truth about IFANCA, it is not bashing. I do not need the recognization from you and br. Irfan. I gave a lecture recently at ISNA Halal Food confernce. If Outback claim that they are supplying Halal lamb stakes then they have to fill the disclosure form in New Jersey from New Jersey Law dept. I contributed to make those disclosure forms. I already wrote Disclosuer forms for slaughter house, halal meat shops and restuarants claiming Halal foods in Illinois according IL. Halal food act. So Outback get citation in New Jersey if they claimed that they providing Halal steak. So good days are coming for Muslim consumers to get Halal Foods at restauarnts. |
- Posted on May 12, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| This discussion is going in circles. I'm going to close it now. |
- Posted on May 12, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Be sure to avoid all deep fried foods at Outback Steakhouse. The shortening used is 35% pork and 45% beef. Pure butter is used for all other foods, including fish and grilled items. |
- Posted on July 22, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Reading this particular chain of comments has been quite interesting. I've enjoyed eating vegetarian/seafood items at non-muslim establishments in the U.S. pretty much all of my life. But I must admit though,it is pretty scary eating at these steakhouse/bar type restaurants considering how much haram is floating around the kitchen. I mean you tread dangerous waters even if its simply ordering a salad in this part of the world. But let me say that there are plenty of really mediocre Muslim restaurants in the U.S (though some good ones too). I am glad Zabihah.com is here to help raise the standards. |
- Posted on September 1, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| I believe both Zabihah.com and MCG are doing a great job. Keep it up guys. I think we should simply state our point of view and reasons and then leave it at that. This will avoid a lot of bashing. Those insistent on eating mashbooh know what they're doing.... eating mashbooh. Those careful are.... careful not for anyone else!
Keep it up guys! Wassalam |
- Posted on September 21, 2006 at 12:00 am
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| Guys Remember the Allah is The Most Merciful and the Most Beneficial. We are all talking about this because of his love/protection and because we care. Some of us have starting digging too deep into everything and thus we are where we are as muslims!! I wonder why everything we start, we atart with Bismillah hir-Rahman nir-Rahim?! |
- Posted on November 29, 2007 at 05:29 pm
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